SPEAKER_01 0:00

Today, I'm bringing you a gentleman that comes from five generations of pastors. It will be fun to have him share about who molded him and shaped him the most prominently. And that was a grandfather who was not only an NBA player, but he's been inducted into the Butler University Hall of Fame. The inspiration from his grandfather has allowed him to plant many ministries, including a new campus, which was planted on purpose because he believes in community on purpose. And so without further ado, I want to get into the conversation. This is We Plural. And this is David Norris, who is also my friend, but pastor. This guy, you guys, is so special for so many reasons. And we're going to highlight a lot of those today. But Petey's background is fascinating. He comes from five generations of pastors. Is that correct? Yes. And was the most influenced by a grandfather. This was so cool for me to learn because now I know where you got your love of basketball. But he was influenced by a grandfather who was an NBA player in a Hall of Fame inductee at Butler University, which is so cool. And he coaches his kids playing basketball as well. So that made that connection for me for you. And so one of the newest additions to our church is a downtown Bloomington campus. And I love it because you planted that on purpose. Yes. And with intention. And that's what this podcast is about community on purpose.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Love it. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Let's jump in.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Were you always driven by a sense of community? And what does that actually mean to you?

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Well, I would say thank you for having me on, by the way. You're welcome. And you're a mover and a shaker, movie director, movie producer, whatever you've done, but you've done a lot yourself. That's a great question. Um when I got saved, yes, that was um obviously an amazing moment for me. And um as I started walking that out, I think seeing some of my friends falter, unfortunately. Yeah uh meaning they passed away um struggling. I could have been them, I'm not better than them. Um God's grace is amazing. Yes. I think my heart just of compassion, just when I realized really the reality of where I was headed without God, helped, I think, just really form this idea of community and let's reach people, let's connect, let's go and let's have the heart of God.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

I think especially for our culture, we saw that great need after the pandemic. But also wanting you to come on today was part of National Recovery Week, or excuse me, National Recovery Month and National Suicide Awareness Month. And you and I have both lost people uh to both of those causes. And so when Rich and I moved here from Indianapolis, we were very intentional about what kind of a church we wanted to plug into or belong to. And Pete, your vision for community surpasses the definition of that word because you take the church out of the building. Right. And that's hard to find, to be very honest. And so we love that. So let's talk about, I want to talk about the new campus and what was the vision behind that, and then we'll talk about some other ministries.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Yeah. Well, um, to me, I think this is my view from scripture that the church should uh be reaching out and touching their cities. Um if City Church would shut down, I would want to serve our city and surrounding communities so much that people that don't even believe in God would fill the gap because we made an imprint. It's easy to stay inside the four walls and just preach at people. No, we have to get out and connect with people. So that's how we make a difference and show who Jesus is. And quite frankly, the idea of I'm not here to put down government, but to pawn off all social services on government, it's a mistake because they can't do it all. And there's other issues with that. The church has to connect and reach out and show who Jesus is in multiple layers, and this is one of them. The downtown campus in Bloomington, and Bloomington's interesting as any community is, but the downtown part of it is you have, you know, you know, million-dollar plus, you know, of flats, and then you have people on the street. You have so you have business people, young couples that are living in million-dollar, you know, condos and in a mini high rise, if you want to call it that. Right. And then you have people on the street, and you have students, then you have all these people collected downtown. There's thousands of people that live downtown now, and that's a you know, just a form of the change of development. And so, what are we gonna do about that? How are we gonna reach them? Uh, Bloomington is not a metroplex, but it's big enough that we can have, and we need more room on the east side campus. When Bloomington's up and swinging with school, we need more room. Right. So it helps decompress. But the healing hands outreach that we have is our biggest outreach of our church in terms of cost, in terms of all that, but it's you know, giving essential items to people in need. And the idea is for the downtown campus to be a church location coupled with healing hands that would you know, I would say, augment the uh the reach of essential items, food, clothing, furniture, uh, just whatever they would need, no things attached, um, people, prostitutes, you know, drug addicts, homeless, people that are just down, look, refugees that need help once they get here. Um, it's it's it's a wide gambit. That with a church uh is so important to me. And really, we're just getting started. The goal is to have a bigger building in downtown. There's a couple on my mind that are next to the church at the right time. We get it, and we can just increase our giving. So you have church on Sunday, and then really recovery on Monday, and the healing hands is all throughout the week. Yeah. And then we just uh launched the hub, which is a ministry for at-risk mothers. So all this is to really increase, layered, if you will, uh, by layering uh the different you know reaches of people in need. Um and on Sunday, on the launch of the campus, there was, you know, the beautiful thing about downtown, like the east side, was you know, downtown there was people that are rich. There was and and people would never know, there were some homeless people that we have connected with, but they got their best on. That really touched me that they did their best to clean up. Not that they had to, because they don't have to to come to our church, but they tried. Right. And probably people maybe wouldn't have even known who they were, maybe they did. But you have all these types of people there together worshiping, and that's what we want. And just to keep our reach strong and getting stronger, showing people who Jesus is. Everyone wants to belong somewhere. Why not be in the house of God?

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Right. Rich and I were so thrilled. We got to participate in worship Sunday at the new campus. And I I walked out and I looked at him and I said, This is what I used to see at the heart of Moody. Moody is where I did my extended education after IU, 30 years apart. Uh and what I loved about worshiping at that big old cavernous Moody church was the homeless would come in, sit on the front row, and I was like, Good for you. Yay, welcome. I'm so glad that you're here. And and we saw diversity. Um, just like our church has so many nations represented, Moody was the same thing. So every time we went to Chicago, we would worship there because of that. It just felt so much like what heaven's gonna look like, right? It's good. And you captured that on Sunday with our new people.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Love it, love it. And that's the heart of God. To me, when we can get together and be in the same room or watch online, but be you know, be together, it helps so many stigmas get flushed out. It helps so many things. We're better together. That's not a cliche, that's true. And Jesus, I believe he made us that way.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

He absolutely did. And and you know, I have done multiple short-term mission trips in the world, and what God had to teach me is that I had to go to the far places to learn how to come home and live missionally. But one thing, and I was willing to go to the far places, yeah, you know, and a lot of people aren't. So that's why I kept going. I want to go with your mom and dad on one of these trips. It's coming, my day is coming. But all this to say, I remember the lesson that I learned very early on in Nicaragua or South Africa was you cannot meet spiritual needs when someone's belly is hungry. That's right. And or their clothes are torn and tattered. We have to attend to their basic needs first before we say, oh, Jesus and God is the answer, because that doesn't ring true with them when they're hungry. That's right. Or they're cold, that's right, or they're sleeping outside. And so the way you have structured our outreach is just really inspiring.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

And tell everybody how many families that Healing Hand served last year.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

Yeah, last year it was over 48,000, close to 50,000, you know, families. And this year it's already over, you know, we're well on our way uh over 20 right now. Um and wow. I mean, it saddens me because that means it's a lot of people in the need.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

A lot of people in need. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

It also excites me because we're able to do something for them.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

And, you know, it's um, we have a great team. Um, they treat people with dignity and respect. And they show honor and love. As a matter of fact, no one's messed with our building downtown. Not that they would, but no one has. And what we found out is a lot of people that walk around it or what they know healing hands and they know us and they respect us.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

That's really incredible.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

So when you when you connect and serve people, their heart opens up, even in their struggles.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

And they're like that, you know, they want to do you know, they have a respect in their way, whether they believe in Jesus or not. We did you know, to me, it's just when you show people that you care first, first, so many walls get taken down.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

And you know, we're all challenged. You know, the the topic of addiction, the topic of homelessness, the topic of whatever can be tenuous, different opinions. I have thoughts on all that, like we all do, if you get you know, if you take time to think about it. Right. But at the end of the day, it's it's showing who Jesus is. That's you know, my you know, belief, that's my way of living, showing honor, showing dignity. Right. And when you get to know people and you get, you know, when you see them up close, your perspective shifts. Let me tell you a story just real quick. So last so last week, Summer and I, my wife Summer, we toured a facility or because the next part of our vision is to have housing. And so we toured an apartment building. We may or may not get it, there's a lot to it. But the point is that we want to have housing with a discipleship program that helps people have a safe place, even with children, you know, you know, families with children, that they can move forward in life. So that's where we're going next. So we tour this facility and we're sitting there with a project manager who goes to our church, didn't even know she goes to our church until we were there. It's like, oh, I love you know, so that's cool. Um, and this couple comes in, not you know, not you know, expected, and she introduces us to them, and they said, We love City Church. We've been homeless for two years, um, you know, bounding addiction. They lost their daughter because of that. And one of our pastors, they you know they tell me the story, one of our pastors sees them at a Starbucks and strikes up a conversation and ends up leading them to Jesus. They get sober, now two years sober, they come to church every time they can, their car doesn't work, they're now housed in this apartment building, so now they have housing. As I'm speaking, they get their daughter back in a week.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

And um when you sit down and hear them talk about their struggles, talk about their battle, um, their faith in Jesus. You I don't care how you see whatever you see, right? When you touch, when you get in touch with that, you understand there's more to this. And um, that's I love that story of our team, you know, as a pastor Candace, who's a great, you know, she's a woman of God. Yeah, fantastic. You know, it's real, and people can have life change. And this family is coming back together, and they're on a journey, but you know, they have God. That's the heart of Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

It's so amazing, as you know, that it's been my last five years in the world of addiction with the documentary film series, The Addicts Wake. You guys, it's available for your community.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Yep, amazing film.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

Yeah, just get in touch with me and uh I can tell you all about it. But uh, you know, that that film series had cost to it. I lost a couple really precious people that I had grown very attached to along the way, but it taught me so much. But one of the reasons I was so compelled to make that film was I wanted to breed compassion for people like that couple. Right. And I I get very excited to hear about what your next vision is. Uh but be given that this is addiction and recovery month, that we kind of take time out to try to better understand it. Let's talk about our outreach to the world of recovery because that's an incredible story of how that's grown. But I do want to say that uh Pastor David, he was one of the very few pastors that have said yes to showing the film inside the church. And I'm so grateful for that because we had great response. We had a couple hundred people show up that night. Yep. But let's talk about our recovery ministry and how that has served Bloomington and surrounding communities.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

So the uh it's called City of Recovery. It's grown to about 170 people uh a week. Sometimes it eclipses 200, but mostly 170. Um, it's great. Pastor Randy does a great job. He and Heidi are great pastors of it. Um they themselves have been brought out of different things along those lines.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

Um it's the heart of God, and it's done an amazing uh it's done amazing things for people to find community, to find hope. But and recovery, by the way, too, for us is addiction, but it's also hurts habits and hangouts. So that's a broad statement. Um, I went through recovery, not for addiction, but just for stuff I went through myself. Right. I went through the step study program with my dad. Um and so I encourage people to take the stigma off. We all need recovery. I'm not just saying that to say it, but to me, we all need recovery.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

We say it wherever we show the film. Everybody's recovering from something. From something.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

And you can say, no, I'm not. Well, yes, you are, because all of us go through stuff, maybe more traumatic than others. I understand that. It's not all the same, but we all need something. Right. And so that's a great part of our church. Um, it's moving to downtown, the downtown campus, which I love. Um, we've already got tons of responses on that, just people able to get to it now because of the access of you know, the city transportation system or whatever. Right. It's our campus is right next to two recovery centers. We didn't even plan that, but it just so happened. Well, I would say God planned it.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

God did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

And so they're, you know, they're coming. They already come now, but they can come even more. And so our goal is to have hundreds of people in recovery because people can change.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

When Jesus shows up, things can happen. And I think in this field, it can be medicine, it can be counseling, it can be 12 steps, and and all of it together is a is a picture of someone coming out and breaking habits and being made new. And so um, really, and as we have more campuses, even outside of Bloomington and other communities, our goal is to take that recovery to those communities. So when there's a campus in a new community, recovery goes with it. And so recovery will be there at that campus. So, uh, because it's all over. We need help all over.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

So and when you and I both say God did, he planned that, I don't take that lightly because I think what I didn't know going into creating this film series was what are the barriers that keep people from being able to get the help that they need? Transportation is huge. Yep. Um the the monies owed for all the uh arrest and the jail times, you know, that just what they have to pay to just have freedom. I mean, there's just barrier after barrier that keeps people from being able to get to church. Uh right, you know, no child care, or uh they're on, they have to check in with probation, or they're they have an ankle bracelet. And I mean, it just goes on and on. Yeah. So I don't take that lightly that we're sitting between two transitional houses because that's that's just so amazing.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

And and that's so intentional. Um, and I love it because we're helping them remove the barriers from moving forward with their lives.

SPEAKER_00 18:59

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

And everyone is someone to Jesus. And I just think it's incur, I just it's important to all of us, whether you have addiction or not, you've been through something traumatic or not, whatever. We all need Jesus the same.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Um, all of us are in need of a savior. And the to me, the more humble we are with our own selves, and then thinking about God with other people, the better we are. Right. Because when we think we're aloof from that, or if we make ourselves aloof from that, or we're disconnected from that, that's not reality. The reality is that uh everyone is someone to Jesus, and we can't judge other people by whatever. Maybe their issue is more obvious than our issue. Right. But we all need them.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

We all have the mucky muck.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

We all need them.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Do you think, and I'm not here to invite you to church bash, so please don't misunderstand this question, but do you think churches underestimate their role in in some of these social issues that are so pervasive?

SPEAKER_00 20:04

Yes, and I think sometimes too that maybe it's just overwhelming. Like it's a lot of money for healing hands.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

It's a lot of money to, I mean, the downtown campus costs more than we wanted it to. Um, it takes effort, it takes just whatever money, time, energy, the healing hands staff. It's a lot. Um so I think sometimes maybe just the mountain of it, like I don't want to deal with this. Right. But it's worth it because on the other side, there there's life change, there's hope, and there's you break the cycle of the devil off of people or the pattern of whatever. And a hero to me is Pastor Tommy Barnett.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

I just was gonna bring him up.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

He's a hero, he was at our church in April. Um, we're going out to see him uh and his son here coming up.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

For people who don't know who Pastor Barnett is, will you tell them?

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Yeah, so he's a great pastor, he's 88 years old, you know, legend. And but he uh his church has the Dream Center in LA, which is the Los Angeles hospital, the old hospital, 15 stories, that they've converted into a ministry center. Homeless, addiction, families in need, all of it, all the floors are used for something, women and sex traffic, the whole deal. Just name it. You I mean you got it. Yeah, murder. He talked about murders that have been released from following these pimps that came and got saved. Yes, that the pimp ministry. So I mean, uh, but he had this, he has this phrase when you receive the people nobody wants, God will give you the people everybody wants. And his heart, every time I talk to him, I cry. Every time we have time together, I'm just like, my God, because his heart for people astounds me.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

And that's just a picture of what I'm saying is that it's the heart of Jesus, um, for people, for souls. And when you reach out and and you touch them, it's worth it. For them, it's over a million dollars a month to operate that dream.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

That's incredible.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

But those people are worth it. And for us here, it's worth it as well. And so I encourage churches to take that on in their way because it's about people being reached with the love of God.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

You collaborate so well as a leader in our church with Bloomington. Have we reached out to try to collaborate with other pastors? And especially when I think about the Dream Center and the housing that you're talking about, that's kind of run as a co-op. So everybody has a role to play if you want to live there. Love that model. I think it's an incredible model and it's proven itself in Los Angeles and Arizona. Yeah. But is is that one how we're gonna try to structure that? And two, you know, have you invited other churches to be a part of that?

SPEAKER_00 22:59

Yeah. Yeah, but sure. And other churches have talked to us about counseling, like leveraging counseling with what they do versus what we do and kind of merging that together. There's a lot of things we can do together. And the more the better.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

The more the better.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

Um, there's different ways to do the housing that I'm looking at right now where it's effective and efficient. And um, so we want to do it well. We're gonna be, you know, excellent what we do. Um, we want it to be great for the people that are, you know, um living there, great for the staff, you know, the best we can. And it's a you know in fact the lady that goes to our church who runs this a certain apartment complex, she told me about they rescued a young girl, 16, that was trafficked um in Bloomington and they found her on the sidewalk in the middle of the night naked. Um, she was beaten and um used and then thrown off literally on the side of the road. And um today she's safe, she's looking people in the eye, she's you know, having confidence, she's getting her life back. You can't imagine.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

I can't.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

And so sometimes we're so in our worlds, we're so blessed. No matter what, you know, we're we're blessed in so many ways. And yet people in our cities are going through things that we you know, we think are in LA or in New York or whatever. Or in India or across the globe. No, it's right. And that girl's worth it. That girl's worth it. Um and everyone's worth it because Jesus, He died for them. Yeah, and so it's our job to do our best. We can't reach everybody, and not one church does it all. It's a community, it's multiple churches, but we can do our part and we should do our part and be aggressive in it.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

Well, I love your heart for community so much, and and when um someone asked me about this podcast, you know, why we plural, it's my heart for community and for collaboration and for the we part. And I think because if I go back to the pandemic, we all learned that we need the we. That's right. It's we're not meant to live as silos. That's right. And and by design, by uh an incredible creator. And so I love your heart for community, PD. And and you have instilled that in all the other pastors and the leaders and the the staff of our church. And it's you feel it when you walk in the door. I know you get told that a lot. Thank you. Uh, you come from such a rich legacy. I love your mom and dad. When you think about your legacy, because as much as we hate it, we're all getting up there. I'm ahead of you, but uh it's coming a little faster for me. But what what is it you want your legacy to be for not just your family? Because I I have a feeling I know what that is, but also for your church family and for the communities that you're serving.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

That's a great question. Um I think I want my legacy to be one that made a difference, that served people, um, served people well, that um showed people who Jesus is, and that that it would be a generational legacy. So I I I don't want it to uh stop with me. I want it to live beyond me. I want it to keep going and keep expanding. You know, my family, as you mentioned, I'm fifth generation pastors. I I think about my grandparents, you know, when I have tough days, we all have them. Yes. When you reach out, you stretch out, there's there's risk, there's pressure, you know, all this stuff. But man, my grandparents didn't quit. My parents didn't quit. My my great-grandparents in Iowa um didn't quit, you know, they didn't quit. They had nothing, and literally, and serve God and serve churches, over a thousand churches there in Iowa, just different stuff like that. When I think about that, their impact, their prayers are living on through me and other members of my family, not just me, but other people as well. That's right. But it's living on. Right. Um, the visions that my grandfather had um are happening today. So I want that for me. I want that the church is not just built on me, it's not rising and falling on me, um, that it can continue after I'm in heaven, that it's a generational flow and that it's it's it's living on. And my sons feel called to be pastors, which is uh very humbled at that.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

All of them?

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Uh yeah. Yeah, two of them, particularly one feels called to ministry in some capacity. My daughter wants to be a pastor too.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Oh, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 27:44

Um, they were to they were there last night worshiping God. It's just uh yeah, I pinch myself and living a dream.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

But so that's cool. And I want them, then they don't have to feel pressure to be the next pastor, but if they feel it and it's the right thing, and and and and if God's in it, then that's awesome. But right, no matter what, I I I want that to continue and move on, and I want uh people to be you know touched by God.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Amazing. Yeah. Well, I think you're accomplishing that and more.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

And I think um, in with respect to your time, I'm gonna leave you with this last question. Unless, is there anything that I haven't asked you that you would want other communities to know? Because part of this podcast is to foster new thinking and to inspire uh new ideas for other communities that maybe they go, oh, we we have the resources, we could do that, or we could take a part of that and start building on something. And not that Brown County has all the answers or City Church has all the answers, but the more we share, yeah, the more that we can model and and learn from one another. And so is there anything I didn't ask you that you would want somebody in another community to know?

SPEAKER_00 28:54

I would just encourage anybody uh listening that you can make a difference, find the need and fill it. You know, find a need and fill it. I think it's small, big, whatever, find a need and just fill it and um step out and show love. I think sometimes in church culture, it's easy to get locked into your world, it's easy to kind of get locked into what you're doing. Um, but there's a bigger, I mean it's a big world out there, a lot of people out there. And just just you know what what need is around you? What's happening? Can you serve? Can you love? Can you give? Can you just make a difference? People are reaching, people are desiring um to be to be touched by God. Um, they may not know that, but they're but they're reaching for something. Yeah. So we need to go to them. That's my encouragement is I hope that helps somebody, just find it. You can do it. You have to have a lot of money. You can start where you're at. Um, it's little by little to me, anyway. That's the best way, sustained over time. Um, go for it, see what God can do.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

So I have uh a we plural promise that I like for folks to share. Would that be your we plural promises to go be intentional with one person? Yeah, absolutely. Believe that you can make a difference. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

That you can. Yeah. Because someone, real quick, another story if I can. Yes. I spoke at a Johnson County, I spoke at a school that was for all the students that were expelled from the main high schools. And um I sat in front of them and talked, told him my story. A young girl comes up to me and she says afterwards, and she says, What can God do with me? And I said, Okay, well, what what do you why would you ask that? She said, Well, my dad uh left us, he's a crackhead, my mom's on drugs, uh my dad's in jail, my mom's on drugs, um, she's in and out. Um, she said, Um, I've had two abortions. Um, I I've tried to kill myself twice. I've been beaten by a previous boyfriend. I'm with a boyfriend now who's beating me and I'm trying to get away. And I'm just like, my God. And I'm like, man, how old are you? So I'm 15. So I want you to think about that's a dramatic story, but her, she is all over the place. Right. And there that question, what can God do with me? Really is a profound question. When you when you when she's when you think about where she's been.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

And the answer to that question is God can do anything.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

God can redeem anybody. God put Rahab, the prostitute, in the family lineage of Jesus. So what are we talking about? I mean, anybody is someone to Jesus. And then Ruth was, you know, you know, grafted in, and she was of a pagan you know culture, so to speak. So God can do anything with anybody, and um it's just stepping out and showing that you care, showing that you love and being touched by other people. Um, I just want to encourage you to do it. God's still working on me. He's changing me, um, making my heart bigger, right? Making my heart more open to loving, showing love and being strong in that and showing who Jesus is. And when you do that, something's gonna happen. Yeah, something is gonna happen that's good. Yeah. And one person, multiple, doesn't matter. Just start where you're at and see what you know happens. But what can God do with you? He can do something great in your life.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

And that's the part of plural that I love because it it can it can build from there. You know, it doesn't have to be a singular moment. Uh, you have that moment, but then that can lead to the next one, which leads to the next one, which leads to healing, which leads to restoration and resilience and recovery. I mean, I've watched it over the last five years. I've seen it happen. That's right. So I I love that. And it breaks my heart that we have young people at 15 walking around with such wounds.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

But the reality is, you know, her life does count. That's right. Yeah, I love it. I cannot thank you enough for taking time out because I know what your week has looked like from the opening of the campus to the big worship night last night. Um, I do, I did read, and I didn't know this about you, that you and Summer have a marriage podcast. Can you share with everybody where they might find that podcast if they're interested?

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Yeah, Summer and I uh have a podcast called the Marriage Podcast with Dave and Summer. You can find it on YouTube. Just uh I just uh put in the marriage podcast with Dave and Summer on uh YouTube, on um a Spotify, all the all the all the podcast stuff. You can find it there. Um and yeah, we'd love to serve you. We just do our we have fun, talk about everything, you know, marriage. And then we also speak for family life at weekend to remembers around the country. And um, so that's fun too.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

It's an incredible weekend. And after Rich and I went probably year 10 of marriage, I thought, oh my goodness, I wish I'd had that the first 10 years. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's such a beautiful portrait of marriage, and and we had some great healing on that weekend, so much so that we took five other couples back with us the next year because we wanted some friends to experience it too. So cool. Yeah, I'm glad you guys share there. There's some really dynamic couples like you guys that are there.

unknown 34:23

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Um, you're part of my Wii, whether you want to be or not. I'm I'm grateful that you are. And um, you guys, you know that I had some very faithful folks step up to sponsor this podcast. And I'm so grateful to the loose family. Thank you for supporting this broadcast. I can't think of a better one that I wanted uh you to support than to have my time with PD. So thanks everybody, and I look forward to seeing you next week for another exciting episode of We Plural Community on Purpose.